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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 9145822" data-attributes="member: 82106">Look, by any defensible definition of 'diegetic' there can be NO game mechanics who's operation by a player fits that bill. That's my conclusion. Rolling dice is not diegetic (aside from your peculiar case, perhaps), marking off hit points of damage is not diegetic, no forms of manipulation of a currency are diegetic, etc.In fact, all of this was known and acknowledged in the early days of D&D! I can definitively state that this is the case, as it was widely discussed at the time (there has been considerable terminological shift since then). It was widely understood that a fully diegetic game practice would involve the GM rolling all dice, the non-conveyance of any facts about the existence of or state of things like hit points, etc. A GM would keep ALL of this hidden from the players, simply narrating the fictional state (IE the orc slices you with his sword, but you manage to dodge the worst of it, you now have a large cut across your chest!). There were people who actually experimented with this style of play, though it was never very popular as it clashed pretty heavily with classic play.I don't know if Dave or Gary ever experimented with this kind of play themselves, but they were at least aware of the ramifications, as there are various advice given about keeping certain things behind the screen, etc. My suspicion is that Gary didn't practice this kind of thing and would have considered it rather impractical and less fun, but I'm just guessing.</blockquote>

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