Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
What is a Ranger? A miserable pile of secrets! (+)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8711484" data-attributes="member: 7015698"><p>Just because it's build off the Sidekick frame doesn't mean it's the 'team pet'. The idea here would be that to 'hire' a Beast Companion you'd need to tame it and it would only be loyal to the person who did the taming, something a Ranger would just naturally be great at and could have an optional way to be better. Using sidekick rule would mean the Ranger doesn't have to account for the Pet being there when building the class, but the DM will be able to account for it when building encounters. It also means that ANY character can start with a Beast Companion if the DM agree. The Fighter and his hound, the Paladin and his mount, a Druid could also have a Beast Companion if they wanted, maybe the Nature Priest? Maybe the Sorcerer used to be a goat farmer and he's walking around with an old ornery protective ram? Maybe the Bard has an exotic song bird? The Wizard might have an owl. Maybe the Warlock was a noble and has a hunting falcon.</p><p></p><p>When a Beastmaster beast dies, it's like if your character lost half their class features when taking too much damage, it's just a problematic design space all around IMO. If the sidekick dies, people can be sad but it won't make their character that much worse than before.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I played a Shepherd Druid and I got bored of summoning 8 wolves.</p><p></p><p>We can't just cram EVERYTHING in the PHB. And who says the pets should be simpler? </p><p></p><p>Are they a major part of the character or a simple sideshow gimmick?! Which is it? If it's just a simple aesthetic thing, just give them a familiar or one of those magical figures that turn into an animal.</p><p></p><p>Honestly feels like your standard are very high for a pet and I'm not quite sure where they land. What's the design goal here? I've suggested an option that makes the pet relevant without bogging down a specific class's design space with all the burden it entails. </p><p></p><p>Whatever form it takes, I think it's WAY better for the 'Beast Companion' trope to be class agnostic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Undrave, post: 8711484, member: 7015698"] Just because it's build off the Sidekick frame doesn't mean it's the 'team pet'. The idea here would be that to 'hire' a Beast Companion you'd need to tame it and it would only be loyal to the person who did the taming, something a Ranger would just naturally be great at and could have an optional way to be better. Using sidekick rule would mean the Ranger doesn't have to account for the Pet being there when building the class, but the DM will be able to account for it when building encounters. It also means that ANY character can start with a Beast Companion if the DM agree. The Fighter and his hound, the Paladin and his mount, a Druid could also have a Beast Companion if they wanted, maybe the Nature Priest? Maybe the Sorcerer used to be a goat farmer and he's walking around with an old ornery protective ram? Maybe the Bard has an exotic song bird? The Wizard might have an owl. Maybe the Warlock was a noble and has a hunting falcon. When a Beastmaster beast dies, it's like if your character lost half their class features when taking too much damage, it's just a problematic design space all around IMO. If the sidekick dies, people can be sad but it won't make their character that much worse than before. I played a Shepherd Druid and I got bored of summoning 8 wolves. We can't just cram EVERYTHING in the PHB. And who says the pets should be simpler? Are they a major part of the character or a simple sideshow gimmick?! Which is it? If it's just a simple aesthetic thing, just give them a familiar or one of those magical figures that turn into an animal. Honestly feels like your standard are very high for a pet and I'm not quite sure where they land. What's the design goal here? I've suggested an option that makes the pet relevant without bogging down a specific class's design space with all the burden it entails. Whatever form it takes, I think it's WAY better for the 'Beast Companion' trope to be class agnostic. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
What is a Ranger? A miserable pile of secrets! (+)
Top