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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 1043297" data-attributes="member: 892">Well, you have to get creative, that's for sure.Remember, you are still the skills guy.&nbsp; Lots of non-combat uses for you.&nbsp; Intelligent undead set traps, and lock doors, and hide things in general.&nbsp; Scouting is great, as is decipher script (if there are ancient writings to decipher that give clues to ancient treasures, etc.)If you are stuck in combat, then do the things others don't have time to do.&nbsp; The cleric will be busy turning undead, so stock up on holy water for grenade-like attacks -- anyone can use those.&nbsp; Fire might also be useful, as might tanglefoot bags. (Depending on the type of undead in question).&nbsp; Healing potions are good too (you can more easily tumble in to help a fallen comrade).&nbsp; Attack defensively, learn expertise, etc., to keep alive longer and be useful longer.&nbsp; Total defense when you have to.&nbsp; (Again, tumble is your friend)At higher levels, the cleric might imbue you with spell ability, thus allowing you do act magically and freeing up the cleric to cast other spells, turn undead, etc.Get your weak saves up with feats.&nbsp; Again, think defensively.&nbsp; Your job is not to win combats.&nbsp; Your job is to survive combats, help others survive, and shine in noncombat situations (At least until you fight some non-undead).As said above, aid another and flanking can both be useful to others.&nbsp; In some cases, trip or disarm might help too.&nbsp; But the use of missle weapons will keep you safe for longer.&nbsp; Also, find ways to use the environment creatively (I wish I could be more detailed, but I know too little of your campaign).&nbsp; If all else fails, outrun the undead.&nbsp; By drawing them after you, they do not attack others in your party and probably won't catch up to you.&nbsp; When the rest of the party has dealt with their undead and healed up, then you can lead your undead back to them.&nbsp; Dangerous, but it can work with the mindless (or merely stupid) undead.You are the librarian from &quot;The Mummy&quot; (noncombatant but useful).&nbsp; Not the one from &quot;The Mummy Returns&quot; (where she learned some Egypt fu).The role can be rewarding, but you have to have a different mindset from the sneak-attack for extra damage sort.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 1043297, member: 892"] Well, you have to get creative, that's for sure. Remember, you are still the skills guy. Lots of non-combat uses for you. Intelligent undead set traps, and lock doors, and hide things in general. Scouting is great, as is decipher script (if there are ancient writings to decipher that give clues to ancient treasures, etc.) If you are stuck in combat, then do the things others don't have time to do. The cleric will be busy turning undead, so stock up on holy water for grenade-like attacks -- anyone can use those. Fire might also be useful, as might tanglefoot bags. (Depending on the type of undead in question). Healing potions are good too (you can more easily tumble in to help a fallen comrade). Attack defensively, learn expertise, etc., to keep alive longer and be useful longer. Total defense when you have to. (Again, tumble is your friend) At higher levels, the cleric might imbue you with spell ability, thus allowing you do act magically and freeing up the cleric to cast other spells, turn undead, etc. Get your weak saves up with feats. Again, think defensively. Your job is not to win combats. Your job is to survive combats, help others survive, and shine in noncombat situations (At least until you fight some non-undead). As said above, aid another and flanking can both be useful to others. In some cases, trip or disarm might help too. But the use of missle weapons will keep you safe for longer. Also, find ways to use the environment creatively (I wish I could be more detailed, but I know too little of your campaign). If all else fails, outrun the undead. By drawing them after you, they do not attack others in your party and probably won't catch up to you. When the rest of the party has dealt with their undead and healed up, then you can lead your undead back to them. Dangerous, but it can work with the mindless (or merely stupid) undead. You are the librarian from "The Mummy" (noncombatant but useful). Not the one from "The Mummy Returns" (where she learned some Egypt fu). The role can be rewarding, but you have to have a different mindset from the sneak-attack for extra damage sort. [/QUOTE]

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