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<blockquote data-quote="ferratus" data-source="post: 5835409" data-attributes="member: 55966">A thief is a bit too narrow of a name to be a class.&nbsp; Even in 2e you had several kits which did away with the thieving (acrobat, bounty hunter, swashbuckler, scout).&nbsp; There is also a need for lightly armored scoundrels such as pirates.&nbsp; So I think the distinction of rogue being a class and thief being a subclass or build is the way to go.&nbsp;&nbsp; The big debate here is whether the rogue should be an effective combat fighter, a dextrous ninja assassin.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't think he particularly should be, because that should be the job of the assassin.&nbsp;&nbsp; The assassin should be the nimble fighter who can take on templars and kill quickly and efficiently with sneak attacks.&nbsp;&nbsp; What the assassin doesn't do, the monk or the ranger can do instead.So what combat role does that leave the thief?&nbsp;&nbsp; I would posit that the role of the thief in combat is to cheat.&nbsp;&nbsp; In other words, his attacks should cripple or incapacitate his opponents rather than kill.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ferratus, post: 5835409, member: 55966"] A thief is a bit too narrow of a name to be a class. Even in 2e you had several kits which did away with the thieving (acrobat, bounty hunter, swashbuckler, scout). There is also a need for lightly armored scoundrels such as pirates. So I think the distinction of rogue being a class and thief being a subclass or build is the way to go. The big debate here is whether the rogue should be an effective combat fighter, a dextrous ninja assassin. I don't think he particularly should be, because that should be the job of the assassin. The assassin should be the nimble fighter who can take on templars and kill quickly and efficiently with sneak attacks. What the assassin doesn't do, the monk or the ranger can do instead. So what combat role does that leave the thief? I would posit that the role of the thief in combat is to cheat. In other words, his attacks should cripple or incapacitate his opponents rather than kill. [/QUOTE]

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