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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 5835953" data-attributes="member: 2198">My 1st D&amp;D character was an elven illusionist/thief (an illegal class combo in 1e, but my brother the DM allowed it), and I've always loved the idea of playing the thief/rogue/bard since those days. But I will say that having &quot;thief&quot; written on my character sheet back then meant that none of the other players would trust me, regardless of my in-game actions. And in later games I saw players behave rather poorly to the rest of the group and justify it because, hey, it says &quot;thief&quot; on their sheet.I think the name change to rogue was a good one for that reason. But also, I think that &quot;thief&quot; is just too specific a concept when the other main class options are &quot;every kind of warrior&quot;, &quot;priest of any faith&quot;, and &quot;student of all kinds of magic.&quot; 3e/4e really opened the class up to allow for all sorts of skillful, sneaky rogue-ish archetypes, and not just the dishonorable pickpocket and lock opener. And that was a good thing, IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 5835953, member: 2198"] My 1st D&D character was an elven illusionist/thief (an illegal class combo in 1e, but my brother the DM allowed it), and I've always loved the idea of playing the thief/rogue/bard since those days. But I will say that having "thief" written on my character sheet back then meant that none of the other players would trust me, regardless of my in-game actions. And in later games I saw players behave rather poorly to the rest of the group and justify it because, hey, it says "thief" on their sheet. I think the name change to rogue was a good one for that reason. But also, I think that "thief" is just too specific a concept when the other main class options are "every kind of warrior", "priest of any faith", and "student of all kinds of magic." 3e/4e really opened the class up to allow for all sorts of skillful, sneaky rogue-ish archetypes, and not just the dishonorable pickpocket and lock opener. And that was a good thing, IMO. [/QUOTE]

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