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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kzach" data-source="post: 5838655" data-attributes="member: 56189">I may have already posted this but I can't recall and can't be bothered looking back through all the posts but... I think everyone is confusing player problems with class problems.I played thieves the vast majority of time I ever played AD&D and that was over many years with many, many groups. My character was always a miscreant and a troublemaker who often got the party into trouble at bars and taverns for his pick-pocketing or swindling, but he never stole from his brothers-in-arms; he wouldn't dare risk losing the people who would jump into the fray to save his sorry arse when he got caught with his hands in the Lord Regent's pockets...Point being is that my thieves were a valuable member of the party and a beloved character by all, not a game-destroying nuisance that had everyone at the table asking me to leave. The amount of times his hidden hair-pin lock picks or belt-buckle knife or bag of caltrops or blinding powder or sleep darts or knife-in-the-back (of an enemy) or trap-finding/disabling or climbing saved the day, in addition to the ROGUISH way in which I played him, made him an enjoyable and fun character for EVERYONE at the table.A dick player is a dick player, no matter what class they play.</blockquote>