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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8952033" data-attributes="member: 67338">for me it was world of darkness that changed my view point but yeah GURPS is the same examplethis is the exact opposite of my reaction... and why of all the changes 3e brough the social skills are my favorite. just because YOU can know the right things to say and how to say them isn't proof your character can. I still think of myself as 'old school' and am more leniant if you RP but nto that you can have a cha 8 no social skill characteer and be more able to talk to people then the cha 20 bard with social skills just cause out of game you are better at it... just like I wont ask you to jump to see how far or high your character can jumpthat just means your character isn't as intimadating, or charming as you want...imagine if I describe a perfect crit hit and that i kill the dragon... but I roll a 2 to hit... I still miss,this is a HUGE red flag for me... I have found in the 20ish years we have been useing social systems we have gotten more of those shy nervous RPers to act things out... cause once they know that if they say something  wrong or dumb but roll well the character still comes off swauve and cool... so they trry, and the more they try the les shy they get (in general we have woman that is still shy years later)100% agree with this</blockquote>