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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8952252" data-attributes="member: 67338">it seems the distinction between role play andd roll play is how much you want to demonize someone for not useing 1 true Role playing...if anything I would argue the issue that we wanted to  avoided is the WORSE...in 3.0 we had a SOrcere/ranger with a high (I want to say he started with a 16 or 17 cha who spent skill pts ) a new idea so they were not optimized) on cross class cha skills being played by a shy stuttering kid... and the most experienced role player at the table who happened to also be a salesman (andd a jerk but that is another story) had a barbarian with an 8 or 9 cha and spent no points in it... but kept talking circles around the kid...5 or 6 sessions in after the 3rdish warning to at least let the other guy try, after a stirring speech and great RP i had the barbarian make a check... and he got like a 4 and so everyone ignored him and said he was speaking nonsense... when the ranger/sorcerer said " can i try to do that" and he rolled MUCH higher and the phrase "can I try to do it" was enough to get the roll our whole gaming experience changed</blockquote>