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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7732363" data-attributes="member: 42582">Agreed.But the weird thing about this discussion is that it is not about player metagaming - which has a long tradition of attracting suspicion among RPGer - but GM metagaming, which is objected to by Gygaxian skill-oriented RPGers (see eg Lewis Pulsipher's essays in early White Dwarf), but has never been objected to on the grounds [MENTION=6775031]Saelorn[/MENTION] advances by anyone but Saelorn, to the best of my knowledge.Influenced by The Forge, I would regard the sort of RPGing in which there are &quot;vital clues&quot; that the GM has to get to the players as also simulationist - the players explore not a setting or a character but a story written by the GM. Personally I do regard this as a form of railroading, because the outcome - PCs learn vital clue to this important matter - is written by the GM independently of play.I don't know if I count as a &quot;narrative snob&quot;, but personally what I prefer in RPGing is much closer to what The Forge calls &quot;story now&quot; or (less perspicuously) &quot;narrativism&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7732363, member: 42582"] Agreed. But the weird thing about this discussion is that it is not about player metagaming - which has a long tradition of attracting suspicion among RPGer - but [I]GM[/I] metagaming, which is objected to by Gygaxian skill-oriented RPGers (see eg Lewis Pulsipher's essays in early White Dwarf), but has never been objected to on the grounds [MENTION=6775031]Saelorn[/MENTION] advances by anyone but Saelorn, to the best of my knowledge. Influenced by The Forge, I would regard the sort of RPGing in which there are "vital clues" that the GM has to get to the players as also simulationist - the players explore not a setting or a character but a story written by the GM. Personally I do regard this as a form of railroading, because the outcome - [I]PCs learn vital clue to this important matter[/I] - is written by the GM independently of play. I don't know if I count as a "narrative snob", but personally what I prefer in RPGing is much closer to what The Forge calls "story now" or (less perspicuously) "narrativism". [/QUOTE]

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