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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9486369" data-attributes="member: 63508"><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😂" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png" title="Face with tears of joy&nbsp; &nbsp; :joy:" data-shortname=":joy:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />But seriously when it comes to the noncasting ranger, There is always a host of abilities that people vaguely describe that the ranger class would have. However when it comes down to describing the specific abilities they describe The theme sort of class features that people complain about that is either too strong or too weak and thus no one ever agrees to what they are.&nbsp; Or they just simply suggest boost in skills and make the core chassis of the Ranger just in alternate version of either the fighter or rogue with part of the fighter approach carved and given to the Ranger.&nbsp; Many versions of non-spell casting Rangers that I've seen published or suggested typically are characters who have a fighter chassis and some woodcraft skills that are irrelevant past level four or so instead scaling with either a damage and or skill bonus.The spellcasting Ranger does not have this problem. Dispel casting ranger is assumed to have magic by default and assume to have some level of unbelievable ability so it is just a gauge of how much the class break the base reality. Either having a slight reality warfare or a heavy reality warper. And this is kind of the point of the threat. You see how far and deep in to the theme the Ranger is allowed to dive into. And to see where the limit of their supernatural sense is declared by the community.What is a level 5 Ranger class feature? A level 10 Ranger class feature? A level 20 ranger class feature? Does Ranger Magic include just beast and plants? What about rocks? What about steel? What about man made technology? Can Rangers be powered by fey magic? Wizard? Shadow Magic? Demon Magic?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 9486369, member: 63508"] 😂 But seriously when it comes to the noncasting ranger, There is always a host of abilities that people vaguely describe that the ranger class would have. However when it comes down to describing the specific abilities they describe The theme sort of class features that people complain about that is either too strong or too weak and thus no one ever agrees to what they are. Or they just simply suggest boost in skills and make the core chassis of the Ranger just in alternate version of either the fighter or rogue with part of the fighter approach carved and given to the Ranger. Many versions of non-spell casting Rangers that I've seen published or suggested typically are characters who have a fighter chassis and some woodcraft skills that are irrelevant past level four or so instead scaling with either a damage and or skill bonus. The spellcasting Ranger does not have this problem. Dispel casting ranger is assumed to have magic by default and assume to have some level of unbelievable ability so it is just a gauge of how much the class break the base reality. Either having a slight reality warfare or a heavy reality warper. And this is kind of the point of the threat. You see how far and deep in to the theme the Ranger is allowed to dive into. And to see where the limit of their supernatural sense is declared by the community. What is a level 5 Ranger class feature? A level 10 Ranger class feature? A level 20 ranger class feature? Does Ranger Magic include just beast and plants? What about rocks? What about steel? What about man made technology? Can Rangers be powered by fey magic? Wizard? Shadow Magic? Demon Magic? [/QUOTE]

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