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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8623871" data-attributes="member: 67338">I don't know that that is true... if thor (or superman for that matter) can not pass out from pain when hit by a nuke, then how can they feel a caress? none of it makes sense if you look at it for even a minute. We see thor get slapped. we see him react (first thor movie he may not have his thunder powers but he is still an asgardian)   In agents of shield (yes I know alternat reality MCU not movie canon but it appears to be adjacent with at least similar rules) we meet an asgardian who stayed on earth and can be punched and tripped no problem... even if he is super tough and long lived for us.what makes those martial arts magic is just fluff...batman puts on a suit and plugs into the city and can punch superman... superman can tank a hit of his home sun Rao and/or all the magic force in the universe in some comics, but in others a simple spell can stop him cold.  ... sometimes thor and hullk can duke it out and level cities while spiderman is little more then crowd control, but other times spiderman can go toe to toe with them (or web them with webs as strong as steel and it hold even if 2 pages earlier they ripped through steel like paper)yeah I think even 1st level (although I have heard convinceing arguments for making it 3rd or 5th level) classed PCs should have the 'you are no longer mundane' label.</blockquote>