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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8629203" data-attributes="member: 6790260">....yes they do. Shocking grasp is a melee spell attack. That makes it use your spellcasting modifier. It's a Wizard cantrip. In fact, not only that, but to compensate for it being a melee cantrip, it's actually really strong! To whit: "Make a melee spell attack against the target. You have advantage on the attack roll if the target is wearing armor made of metal. On a hit, the target takes 1d8 lightning damage, and it can't take reactions until the start of its next turn." Metal armor applies to many opponents, so that's a major edge. Denying the enemy reactions if you hit is likewise powerful if your group intends to gang up on that enemy. Unless it goes immediately after you, I guess? It's still a lot of benefits and a d8 melee attack that scales up to 4d8.Alright. I assumed we were talking about 5e, given the thread label. Mildly annoying to pretend like the conversation is inherently about all editions ever (or about whatever editions you feel like talking about), without actually specifying. I did, specifically, note "spell attacks" and other things which are unique terms to 5e, so I assumed it was clear from context which edition I was referring to...especially since I mentioned green-flame blade and booming blade, spells which didn't even exist in 3e (they were originally Swordmage at-will powers in 4e; naturally this means they were used to make full-casters stronger in 5e.)I mean, that's your right, but like...this actually IS a thing in real life. Wielding endurance aggressively, by pounding and pounding and never letting up, is quite potent in the right contexts. As mentioned, some folks win fencing duels this way. Whether or not you choose to buy it is your business.</blockquote>

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