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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 6995123" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!Player: I'll take a moment to look around the room without actually moving into it...snap my fingers two or three times to see if anything moves...DM: After ten or so seconds, it seems to be an old bedroom; bed, desk with a padded chair in the coner, a shelf on the east wall containing all manner of nik-naks, and the west side has several 4'wide book cases filled with books. Make a Perception check...Player: I got a 16DM: You notice something odd about the flagstones in front of the middle bookcase. It has a wide-arc'ing "path" starting just inside the left bottom corner...almost like the bookcase opens like a door...Player: Cool! I open it!DM: How?Player: Um...pull on the side that swings?DM: Nope, doesn't budge.Player: I'll examine the bookcase to see if I can find the 'handle' or whatever.DM: Ok, make an Investigation check...That's how I use Perception & Investigation in my game. Perception lets you notice stuff, but doesn't do much past that. Finding a secret door with Perception means you know there is a secret door there...you still don't know how to open/activate it. You need to Investigate the surroundings to find that out.Sorry for the minor derail...PS: 5e isn't broken...player/DM expectations are. With 5e, you *need* a DM to massage the rules/guidelines into whatever he/she needs them to handle during a game. Some players don't like that. They are used to "hard and fast RAW" rules from 'previous editions and spin-off game systems' where this was a thing. They learned to follow rules, not use them, and when forced to use rule X for situation Y, they get..."uncomfortable". Rinse and repeat for a few weeks/months and they see the system as 'broken'. *shrug* I don't think anything is broken in 5e. I think I have maybe 3 house rules? Maybe 4? And that's just preference...not because the rules I tweaked were broken, they just didn't fit with my style of play.^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

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