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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 2898272" data-attributes="member: 18701">Wow  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  Such a snooty reply coming from you, I'm completely shocked. I can't figure out at all why you replied the way you did....my decision to deter players from figuring out an NPC's spell in the PHB is a bad thing? Keeping them from finding out durations & other properties of spells their PC's have never encountered & the player doesn't know by memory is something to be frowned upon?Are you genuinely interested in hearing an answer from me for all of these smartass questions or are you just trying to make me look bad?I guess the line under Spellcraft in the PHB that gives a 20 + spell level DC check for "Identifying a spell that's already in place and in effect" is a bogus check because a player has a PHB infront of him and should be allowed to use the PHB so his PC can avoid a spellcraft check? If the player's have access to use a spell (it's in their spellbook, their deity grants it to them at their level, or a sorcerer knows it), I don't care if they look in the PHB to review the stats on the spell. But if a player is freaking out during a combat because I'm beating on his PC with a spell (Flaming Sphere for example) and he isn't familiar with Flaming Sphere and doesn't even know the spell I'm using is called Flaming Sphere; he should be allowed to just randomly flip through the PHB looking for any spell that resembles "a rolling ball of fire" so they can get an idea on how to defend against it, how many rounds it lasts, what spell lvl it is? Sorry but I'd rather someone who has spellcraft actually do a DC to see if his wizard would know that's a Flaming Sphere spell...then the player can look it up in the PHB if he succeeds the check.Man, I'm really not seeing why asking players to not look up spells they don't know during combat is a bad thing. People agree that metagaming is unavoidable, but me trying to keep metagaming down a bit is a bad thing? Player's already know so much out-of-game info, why is it bad form to try & keep the out-of-game info down?After still being baffled from your response, the only thing I can think of is that we have different interpretations of what "identify a spell already cast" actually means. Perhaps you just think it refers to when a caster buffs himself and PC's can't visually tell what he cast. I also think of it that way; but I also think of it as identifying a spell that the player isn't familiar with but his PC may be familiar with it. If he succeeds, then I tell him the name of the spell and he can look it up. What's wrong with that?</blockquote>

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