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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 3978474" data-attributes="member: 114">a) Metamagic feats turn out to be not that great for wizardsb) wizard summonings are pants compared to druid summonings, especially once druids get to throw 'animal growth' into the mixc) disintegrate is laughable now. One target, make a ranged attack AND they get a fort save (to reduce it to a paltry 5d6), AND it only does average 7 damage per level? Harm on the other hand is a touch attack which does 10 damage per level, Will ST for half and if you miss your touch attack you can try again.d) so you could do 18d6 with firestorm, fully shapeable across an area of 36 10ft cubes, or you could do 4 lots of 6d6 fire damage (watch that evaporate in the face of any fire resistance at all) and possibly some bludgeoning damage if you hit with the ranged attacks; also doesn't allow you to make holes for your comrades to the same extent, it certainly isn't shapeable. No wait! Firestorm is 7th level and meteor swarm is 9th, so maybe we should be looking at an empowered firestorm for effectively 27d6 damage! No wait! The druid certainly has a bead of karma by this point and smoked his incense of meditation so his firestorm fills 44x10ft cubes doing 120 + 10d6 fire damage in every one of themI know which looks more like army-destroying magic to me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 3978474, member: 114"] a) Metamagic feats turn out to be not that great for wizards b) wizard summonings are pants compared to druid summonings, especially once druids get to throw 'animal growth' into the mix c) disintegrate is laughable now. One target, make a ranged attack AND they get a fort save (to reduce it to a paltry 5d6), AND it only does average 7 damage per level? Harm on the other hand is a touch attack which does 10 damage per level, Will ST for half and if you miss your touch attack you can try again. d) so you could do 18d6 with firestorm, fully shapeable across an area of 36 10ft cubes, or you could do 4 lots of 6d6 fire damage (watch that evaporate in the face of any fire resistance at all) and possibly some bludgeoning damage if you hit with the ranged attacks; also doesn't allow you to make holes for your comrades to the same extent, it certainly isn't shapeable. No wait! Firestorm is 7th level and meteor swarm is 9th, so maybe we should be looking at an empowered firestorm for effectively 27d6 damage! No wait! The druid certainly has a bead of karma by this point and smoked his incense of meditation so his firestorm fills 44x10ft cubes doing 120 + 10d6 fire damage in every one of them I know which looks more like army-destroying magic to me :) [/QUOTE]

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