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<blockquote data-quote="Nichwee" data-source="post: 4975383" data-attributes="member: 84242">By that logic, any MBA granted by a Warlord is the Warlord causing damage/reducing enemies to 0 etc, and should trigger relevent effects.What does the damage is what caused the damage in DnD (see melee damage, ranged damage, etc - the effect, and weapon, directly causing the damage does the damage regardless what enabled the oppertunity).Hence why I felt his example didn't fit the stated requirements. Especially as the stated requirements were &quot;without hitting him&quot; not even &quot;without hitting him with the baseball bat&quot;. The knee in the example can be considered to have 'hit' the person from a flavour stand point (and Flip was talking flavour as she asked how does anyone do damage without hitting someone).This was why I put forth my example where &quot;damage&quot; was done without any contact at all with the effectted person (morale damage).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nichwee, post: 4975383, member: 84242"] By that logic, any MBA granted by a Warlord is the Warlord causing damage/reducing enemies to 0 etc, and should trigger relevent effects. What does the damage is what caused the damage in DnD (see melee damage, ranged damage, etc - the effect, and weapon, directly causing the damage does the damage regardless what enabled the oppertunity). Hence why I felt his example didn't fit the stated requirements. Especially as the stated requirements were "without hitting him" not even "without hitting him with the baseball bat". The knee in the example can be considered to have 'hit' the person from a flavour stand point (and Flip was talking flavour as she asked how does anyone do damage without hitting someone). This was why I put forth my example where "damage" was done without any contact at all with the effectted person (morale damage). [/QUOTE]

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