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<blockquote data-quote="Nichwee" data-source="post: 4975453" data-attributes="member: 84242">Yes. Flip was argueing that &quot;damaging someone&quot; and &quot;hitting someone&quot; were the same (Note Flip, not me). Thus any damage counted as &quot;hitting&quot;. And would be able to trigger effects that can be done on &quot;whenever you hit a target you ....&quot;.Thus she asked &quot;How do you do damage...... without hitting him?&quot;. A narrative/flavour question (as per RAW the asnwer is simple, do damage via the Miss line). I suggested a method to do damage (or actually to reduce HP totals) that even narratively did not involve hitting the person - while I felt the example Draco gave failed to avoid the &quot;hitting him&quot; component in a narrative sense. And instead merely avoided &quot;hitting him with the baseball bat&quot;, but as Cleave does bonus damage unrelated to the baseball bat it could well be a knee/kick but that would still, narratively, require hitting the person. And would thus fall into the catergory of arguement Flip was using to say all damage = hitting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nichwee, post: 4975453, member: 84242"] Yes. Flip was argueing that "damaging someone" and "hitting someone" were the same (Note Flip, not me). Thus any damage counted as "hitting". And would be able to trigger effects that can be done on "whenever you hit a target you ....". Thus she asked "How do you do damage...... without hitting him?". A narrative/flavour question (as per RAW the asnwer is simple, do damage via the Miss line). I suggested a method to do damage (or actually to reduce HP totals) that even narratively did not involve hitting the person - while I felt the example Draco gave failed to avoid the "hitting him" component in a narrative sense. And instead merely avoided "hitting him with the baseball bat", but as Cleave does bonus damage unrelated to the baseball bat it could well be a knee/kick but that would still, narratively, require hitting the person. And would thus fall into the catergory of arguement Flip was using to say all damage = hitting. [/QUOTE]

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