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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9609082" data-attributes="member: 4937">I disagree.&nbsp; I think courtly intrigue works best with a very light social system and D&amp;D supports that perfectly.&nbsp; I've been in a courtly intrigue campaign.It doesn't surprise me that &quot;social combat&quot; rules didn't work.&nbsp; I wouldn't expect them to.&nbsp; I would expect that it's very hard to do courtly intrigue without players mentally capable of intrigue and subtlety.&nbsp; A game system can't make a player an expert tactician, and that's true whether we are talking about physical combat or social combat.D&amp;D like any turn-based system is historically bad at chase scenes, and you have to hack it with a system of relative time and relative distance to get it to work.&nbsp; Really, anything that involves simultaneous action is hard within D&amp;D or any turn-based game, though (ironically) BECMI with its phases and simultaneous declaration gets closest, and would allow you with some hacking to for example run a game of football (any form thereof) in D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9609082, member: 4937"] I disagree. I think courtly intrigue works best with a very light social system and D&D supports that perfectly. I've been in a courtly intrigue campaign. It doesn't surprise me that "social combat" rules didn't work. I wouldn't expect them to. I would expect that it's very hard to do courtly intrigue without players mentally capable of intrigue and subtlety. A game system can't make a player an expert tactician, and that's true whether we are talking about physical combat or social combat. D&D like any turn-based system is historically bad at chase scenes, and you have to hack it with a system of relative time and relative distance to get it to work. Really, anything that involves simultaneous action is hard within D&D or any turn-based game, though (ironically) BECMI with its phases and simultaneous declaration gets closest, and would allow you with some hacking to for example run a game of football (any form thereof) in D&D. [/QUOTE]

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