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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 5965061" data-attributes="member: 177">I think I just said, pretty clearly, that I wasn't *trying* to paint the entire picture.&nbsp; GNS theory has, in my estimation, two basic and major flaws:1) They speak as if G, N, and S are not merely convenient concepts to use as axes, but are The TRVTH!2) In some of the literature, they explicitly state that a given player really follows only one of these things, and that any desire they may think they have is really a desire on their main agenda.&nbsp; Personally, I view G,N, and S as simply being coordinate axes, and a player's actual desires can be imagined as a vector in that space.&nbsp; I could pick different axes (say, something more akin to the WotC market research Breakdown of RPG players), and look at the same player through a different framework.We shouldn't rehash the other thread, but I don't agree with that assessment.&nbsp;&nbsp; Specifically, the assertion that there is *always* a system in play.&nbsp; At least, not in what I consider &quot;system&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 5965061, member: 177"] I think I just said, pretty clearly, that I wasn't *trying* to paint the entire picture. GNS theory has, in my estimation, two basic and major flaws: 1) They speak as if G, N, and S are not merely convenient concepts to use as axes, but are The TRVTH! 2) In some of the literature, they explicitly state that a given player really follows only one of these things, and that any desire they may think they have is really a desire on their main agenda. Personally, I view G,N, and S as simply being coordinate axes, and a player's actual desires can be imagined as a vector in that space. I could pick different axes (say, something more akin to the WotC market research Breakdown of RPG players), and look at the same player through a different framework. We shouldn't rehash the other thread, but I don't agree with that assessment. Specifically, the assertion that there is *always* a system in play. At least, not in what I consider "system". [/QUOTE]

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