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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1429134" data-attributes="member: 6398"><p>Noted (and thanks!). At any rate, I do see how <em>Excalibur</em> can be viewed as hoaky; While the movie has a lot of great actors in it (including Patrick Stewart!), the over-abundance of Shakespearian acting does keep it on the "loved but not often watched" shelf.</p><p> </p><p>Generally, the myth of Arthur and the Round Table has a tendancy of being viewed differently (anyone see the trailer for the supposedly "true" Arthur, imaginatively called <em>Arthur</em>?) by different people. I would indeed regard both as mythical, although <em>Le Mort d'Arthur</em> is arguably closer to the myth as it was during the time of its writing, with publication and other (modern) media since that time taking the legend in directions that it likely wouldn't have gone without such.</p><p> </p><p>To a degree, that also relates to the lm vs hm aspect of these discussions: It's a question of how far from the origins of fantasy does the individual want to go. High Magic repels the people it repels because it is <em>too</em> far from the "source", to the point of not resembling it at all aside from weapons and armor, where as other material, or the same material "reigned in" to less common levels, brings the atmosphere of the game more in-line with its origins.</p><p> </p><p>We can pretty much agree that, as a tale, <em>Le Mort d'Arthur</em> is as close to "source" as one can get to the legend of Arthur, while <em>Excalibur</em> returns to its source yet has its own spin on several story elements (and compare those elements to their portrayal in <em>Mists of Avalon</em> for a completely different take). And, given the political and religious climate of the (European) Dark Ages, each of these is a "believable myth" (Merlin's statement in <em>Excalibur</em> that "the one God has come to replace the many" even explains why magic is no longer seen in our world today, by which the powers of Merlin and Morgana don't detract from the tale but reinforce it). By comparison, Disney's <em>The Sword and the Stone</em> only has a fleeting simularity to that same source, yet is itself the same tale.</p><p> </p><p>And let's not even bring up <em>First Knight</em>.:\</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1429134, member: 6398"] Noted (and thanks!). At any rate, I do see how [i]Excalibur[/i] can be viewed as hoaky; While the movie has a lot of great actors in it (including Patrick Stewart!), the over-abundance of Shakespearian acting does keep it on the "loved but not often watched" shelf. Generally, the myth of Arthur and the Round Table has a tendancy of being viewed differently (anyone see the trailer for the supposedly "true" Arthur, imaginatively called [i]Arthur[/i]?) by different people. I would indeed regard both as mythical, although [i]Le Mort d'Arthur[/i] is arguably closer to the myth as it was during the time of its writing, with publication and other (modern) media since that time taking the legend in directions that it likely wouldn't have gone without such. To a degree, that also relates to the lm vs hm aspect of these discussions: It's a question of how far from the origins of fantasy does the individual want to go. High Magic repels the people it repels because it is [i]too[/i] far from the "source", to the point of not resembling it at all aside from weapons and armor, where as other material, or the same material "reigned in" to less common levels, brings the atmosphere of the game more in-line with its origins. We can pretty much agree that, as a tale, [i]Le Mort d'Arthur[/i] is as close to "source" as one can get to the legend of Arthur, while [i]Excalibur[/i] returns to its source yet has its own spin on several story elements (and compare those elements to their portrayal in [i]Mists of Avalon[/i] for a completely different take). And, given the political and religious climate of the (European) Dark Ages, each of these is a "believable myth" (Merlin's statement in [i]Excalibur[/i] that "the one God has come to replace the many" even explains why magic is no longer seen in our world today, by which the powers of Merlin and Morgana don't detract from the tale but reinforce it). By comparison, Disney's [i]The Sword and the Stone[/i] only has a fleeting simularity to that same source, yet is itself the same tale. And let's not even bring up [i]First Knight[/i].:\ [/QUOTE]
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