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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4740920" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>It is hard to say. There are probably definite times when a monster would be well advised to kill a PC, but then again there are a couple of things to consider.</p><p></p><p>First is the question about what is expected. Do monsters normally run up against enemies that can get back up? Apart from AFAIK one monster in the MM there are none that have second wind. All of them technically have at least one HS, but they don't get death saves, so once they hit zero they're out for good. So monsters might well not generally expect their opponents to stand back up.</p><p></p><p>Second of course is the question of if it IS good tactics. That would depend entirely on the situation. Sometimes it would be, but I think actually generally not. Usually the other PCs are right there nearby. Usually by the time someone goes down they have spent their second wind. They aren't getting up again on their own. The monster's choice is do a CDG or make an attack on a definitely dangerous foe. If a party member decides to use healing on the down person, then it is quite possible the monsters can just knock them down again before they can do anything. Kind of a toss up really. PROBABLY worth it, but not for sure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 4740920, member: 82106"] It is hard to say. There are probably definite times when a monster would be well advised to kill a PC, but then again there are a couple of things to consider. First is the question about what is expected. Do monsters normally run up against enemies that can get back up? Apart from AFAIK one monster in the MM there are none that have second wind. All of them technically have at least one HS, but they don't get death saves, so once they hit zero they're out for good. So monsters might well not generally expect their opponents to stand back up. Second of course is the question of if it IS good tactics. That would depend entirely on the situation. Sometimes it would be, but I think actually generally not. Usually the other PCs are right there nearby. Usually by the time someone goes down they have spent their second wind. They aren't getting up again on their own. The monster's choice is do a CDG or make an attack on a definitely dangerous foe. If a party member decides to use healing on the down person, then it is quite possible the monsters can just knock them down again before they can do anything. Kind of a toss up really. PROBABLY worth it, but not for sure. [/QUOTE]
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