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<blockquote data-quote="MNblockhead" data-source="post: 9242934" data-attributes="member: 6796661">I will third Cyborg Commando. I actually played a demo with Gary Gygax at Gen Con. I didn't know anything about the game and wasn't that interested in sci fi games at the time. I was in high school and in awe with Gary and wanted to get his signature (still have issue 1 of Polyhedron with Gary's signature on the cover).&nbsp; At the end of the session, I lied about how I liked that game but had to get money from my parents. Then I avoided his both the rest of the convention.&nbsp; Recently, the game I most loved the idea of but hated to actually try to run was Mage the Ascension. Poorly organized and explained rules drowned in setting fluff. I think the authors of the World of Darkness system just use TTRPGs as a venue for their fiction writing. It is what has really driven me to become a system-first consumer at this point in my gaming life. I would much rather play a great system with a bland or stupid setting than a wonderful and rich setting with obtuse, poorly organized rules. I will caveat this by saying, however, that this comes from the perspective of running the game. I'd happily play in just about any game with the right game master. I also realize that their are many people who would could make similar complaints about games I love. And it is easy to make these complaints because I find the most TTRPGs do a poor job at clearly explaining and organizing their rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MNblockhead, post: 9242934, member: 6796661"] I will third Cyborg Commando. I actually played a demo with Gary Gygax at Gen Con. I didn't know anything about the game and wasn't that interested in sci fi games at the time. I was in high school and in awe with Gary and wanted to get his signature (still have issue 1 of Polyhedron with Gary's signature on the cover). At the end of the session, I lied about how I liked that game but had to get money from my parents. Then I avoided his both the rest of the convention. Recently, the game I most loved the idea of but hated to actually try to run was Mage the Ascension. Poorly organized and explained rules drowned in setting fluff. I think the authors of the World of Darkness system just use TTRPGs as a venue for their fiction writing. It is what has really driven me to become a system-first consumer at this point in my gaming life. I would much rather play a great system with a bland or stupid setting than a wonderful and rich setting with obtuse, poorly organized rules. I will caveat this by saying, however, that this comes from the perspective of [I]running[/I] the game. I'd happily play in just about any game with the right game master. I also realize that their are many people who would could make similar complaints about games I love. And it is easy to make these complaints because I find the [I]most[/I] TTRPGs do a poor job at clearly explaining and organizing their rules. [/QUOTE]

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