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<blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 9243931" data-attributes="member: 9053">This is an interesting discussion and unfortunately it has sort of devolved into a &quot;what's a popular RPG that I don't like.&quot;I think it's interesting because the answer shifts over time. Back in the early days, when we didn't really understand what RPGs were, there were a ton, and I mean a ton, of bad games that were people who were excited by the idea and somehow put together money to get something into print. Every once and a while I come across PDFs of them. The last one I saw was from a game called KABAL. &quot;Knights and Berserkers and Legends.&quot; It was terrible. But it was a different time.As time went on and desktop publishing became a thing, we had things like Synnibarr and Senzar. Back in those days I was a keyboard warrior and some friends and I all but got into a fight with the creators of Senzar. We had the joy that is Cyborg Commandos, too.And then in the D20 period, there were terrible D20 games like Foundation, which weren't really even fully realized games.But for today, it's a really hard question, because I haven't seen games that are just as bad as those games. We sort of need a new standard for the concept because games look better, and have decades of established design to work from. I'd really like to see something on the level of those early bad games in the last five years or so. I honestly can't think of something that's been that bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SteveC, post: 9243931, member: 9053"] This is an interesting discussion and unfortunately it has sort of devolved into a "what's a popular RPG that I don't like." I think it's interesting because the answer shifts over time. Back in the early days, when we didn't really understand what RPGs were, there were a ton, and I mean a ton, of bad games that were people who were excited by the idea and somehow put together money to get something into print. Every once and a while I come across PDFs of them. The last one I saw was from a game called KABAL. "Knights and Berserkers and Legends." It was terrible. But it was a different time. As time went on and desktop publishing became a thing, we had things like Synnibarr and Senzar. Back in those days I was a keyboard warrior and some friends and I all but got into a fight with the creators of Senzar. We had the joy that is Cyborg Commandos, too. And then in the D20 period, there were terrible D20 games like Foundation, which weren't really even fully realized games. But for today, it's a really hard question, because I haven't seen games that are just as bad as those games. We sort of need a new standard for the concept because games look better, and have decades of established design to work from. I'd really like to see something on the level of those early bad games in the last five years or so. I honestly can't think of something that's been that bad. [/QUOTE]

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