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<blockquote data-quote="Composer99" data-source="post: 9246761" data-attributes="member: 7030042">I think there are a few things at play here:First, I think most people haven't played many genuinely awful RPGs. Sure, maybe you hear about them, but played them? So sometimes the only point of reference you have for &quot;bad&quot; is &quot;didn't like&quot;.By way of example, the TTRPGs I've played in the 21st century are D&amp;D (3.X, 4e, and 5e), Star Wars d20, and PF1. In the 80s and 90s I played B/X D&amp;D, AD&amp;D 2e, RIFTS, GURPS, Shadowrun, and WEG Star Wars.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I would say I didn't much care for either GURPS or RIFTS, although I played so little of either (and it's been longer ago than I care to think about since I did play them!) that I'd be wary to actually call them &quot;bad&quot; games.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I do also think that the d20 system is a misfit for Star Wars, but again I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it was a &quot;bad&quot; game. (Ironically, one of the issues with the game, the way force-users are so dominant, is entirely in line with Star Wars lore!)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I enjoyed playing AD&amp;D 2e at the time, but I daresay I wouldn't these days. Not sure I'd be prepared to call it a &quot;bad&quot; game, although I would be prepared to say its tonal and mechanical mismatch hold it back from greatness.</li>
</ul>In any event, I've certainly not played a game with a reputation similar to Synnibarr's!Second, oftentimes the reason one doesn't like an RPG is because of some genuine problems with it, even if they don't rise to making the game as a whole &quot;bad&quot;. The skills in the Aliens RPG cited in <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-is-in-your-opinion-the-single-worst-rpg-ever-made-and-why-is-it-so-bad.702090/post-9246229" target="_blank">post 268</a> springs to mind. To my mind, that is a real problem with the game, regardless of how good or bad the rest of the game is.Third, which somewhat relates to the first point, as I noted previously,For instance, [USER=7042201]@Theory of Games[/USER] is, to my mind, quite plainly not discerning the difference between &quot;do not like&quot; and &quot;is actually bad&quot; in at least some examples in <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-is-in-your-opinion-the-single-worst-rpg-ever-made-and-why-is-it-so-bad.702090/post-9246620" target="_blank">post 292</a>. (I would say post 292 is a perfect example of the kind of behaviour [USER=5142]@Aldarc[/USER] is protesting against.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Composer99, post: 9246761, member: 7030042"] I think there are a few things at play here: [B]First[/B], I think most people haven't played many [I]genuinely awful[/I] RPGs. Sure, maybe you hear about them, but played them? So sometimes the only point of reference you have for "bad" is "didn't like". By way of example, the TTRPGs I've played in the 21st century are D&D (3.X, 4e, and 5e), Star Wars d20, and PF1. In the 80s and 90s I played B/X D&D, AD&D 2e, RIFTS, GURPS, Shadowrun, and WEG Star Wars. [LIST] [*]I would say I didn't much care for either GURPS or RIFTS, although I played so little of either (and it's been longer ago than I care to think about since I [I]did[/I] play them!) that I'd be wary to actually call them "bad" games. [*]I do also think that the d20 system is a misfit for Star Wars, but again I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it was a "bad" game. (Ironically, one of the issues with the game, the way force-users are so dominant, is entirely in line with Star Wars lore!) [*]I enjoyed playing AD&D 2e at the time, but I daresay I wouldn't these days. Not sure I'd be prepared to call it a "bad" game, although I would be prepared to say its tonal and mechanical mismatch hold it back from greatness. [/LIST] In any event, I've certainly not played a game with a reputation similar to Synnibarr's! [B]Second[/B], oftentimes the reason one doesn't like an RPG is because of some genuine problems with it, even if they don't rise to making the game as a whole "bad". The skills in the Aliens RPG cited in [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-is-in-your-opinion-the-single-worst-rpg-ever-made-and-why-is-it-so-bad.702090/post-9246229']post 268[/URL] springs to mind. To my mind, that is a real problem with the game, regardless of how good or bad the rest of the game is. [B]Third[/B], which somewhat relates to the first point, as I noted previously, For instance, [USER=7042201]@Theory of Games[/USER] is, to my mind, quite plainly not discerning the difference between "do not like" and "is actually bad" in at least some examples in [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-is-in-your-opinion-the-single-worst-rpg-ever-made-and-why-is-it-so-bad.702090/post-9246620']post 292[/URL]. (I would say post 292 is a perfect example of the kind of behaviour [USER=5142]@Aldarc[/USER] is protesting against.) [/QUOTE]

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