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<blockquote data-quote="Henry@home" data-source="post: 70501" data-attributes="member: 159">Two words - Moria, and Balrog.Sure, it served a story point (the &quot;death&quot; of Gandalf), but it was also a prime lesson that there are things in the world that we encounter that are best dealt with circumspectly.In FotR, they opted to make the trip through Moria, and never had a chance in heck of defeating the Balrog; yet, there they were, risking their lives to find the shortest route through.Now, in the case of this encounter, I can see where this is a &quot;DM screws with the players&quot; kind of addition. It doesn't sound like an encounter that MUST be overcome (I do not know for certain since I have never read the adventure); not like a certain encounter in The Forge of Fury by WotC, where the heroes must deal with an obviously superior opponent to get something that they absolutely need. (No Spoilers Here!)This sounds like the type of encounter where, if the PC's are clever enough, they will overcome the thingie and find something really nice beyond it for their trouble.I have been known to put something like that in my adventures before; The players KNOW what's going to happen, yet curiosity just kills them - literally, in the case of the characters. I call it the &quot;Head of Vecna&quot; syndrome. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henry@home, post: 70501, member: 159"] Two words - Moria, and Balrog. Sure, it served a story point (the "death" of Gandalf), but it was also a prime lesson that there are things in the world that we encounter that are best dealt with circumspectly. In FotR, they opted to make the trip through Moria, and never had a chance in heck of defeating the Balrog; yet, there they were, risking their lives to find the shortest route through. Now, in the case of this encounter, I can see where this is a "DM screws with the players" kind of addition. It doesn't sound like an encounter that MUST be overcome (I do not know for certain since I have never read the adventure); not like a certain encounter in [i]The Forge of Fury[/i] by WotC, where the heroes must deal with an obviously superior opponent to get something that they absolutely need. (No Spoilers Here!) This sounds like the type of encounter where, if the PC's are clever enough, they will overcome the thingie and find something really nice beyond it for their trouble. I have been known to put something like that in my adventures before; The players KNOW what's going to happen, yet curiosity just kills them - literally, in the case of the characters. I call it the "Head of Vecna" syndrome. :D [/QUOTE]

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