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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goobermunch" data-source="post: 883522" data-attributes="member: 10516">Re: Re: Re: What is Meta-gaming anyways?Of course, the problem with your definition of metagaming is that none of us have taken the time to play every second of our characters' lives.  So there's a gap in the character knowledge.  Necessarily, we fill that gap with player knowledge.  This is, of course, the result of having our own lives and not enough time to game.Metagame knowledge is inescapable in that respect.I also want to take issue with the idea that taking time in combat and coordinating strategy is a bad way to play the game.  The simple fact is that most of us have not spent a whole lot of time in large scale melees.  Our characters, on the other hand, probably have.  In addition, in an ongoing campaign, our parties have fought together for a long time (especially in the later stages).  It's very likely that in all that time, people have learned how other people fight and how to act together as a team.To say otherwise is to deny the possibility for Jackie Chan-esque fight scenes.  It would be very difficult to replicate cinematic fight scenes without some level of coordination and preplanning (or choreography).  However, such fight scenes can add to the quality of the story and the fun for the players.Finally, some tactical input from the group just makes sense.  Very few of us have spent our lives training for martial combat.  When I, an 8th level student, state that my 16th level fighter is going to do X, verisimillitude suffers if X is a tactically stupid action that is out of character for the PC.  But, since I'm not a great duelist, I could make a mistake.  I don't feel that it hurts the game to get some input into those decisions.  I also don't think it hurts the game to get corrected if I miss something.I'm not the world's most observant guy.  It's the reason I don't play a whole lot of chess.  But that doesn't mean I can't play a character who is a master tactician.--G</blockquote>

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