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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasper" data-source="post: 884320" data-attributes="member: 277">Hmm I don’t see the difference between Prestige class and other editions special orders. Neither is metagaming. Your character, Ricky, wants to become a member of Bucky the Wonder Paladin Patrol. In first edition this could mean a fifth level paladin, warhorse, and your own +2 weapon. And side adventure just for him. To in third edition +6 ride, warhorse, +3 will. Different min qualifications.  To me wanting to join the Army Band, the  qualifications would be in the Army and pass instrument test etc. Basically if a Ricky wants join Emeril’s Iron Chef brigade he would know of or be able to find out the qualifications Emeril is looking for. BAM!.Scenario design of what the players are running vs this adventure is for six to eight character between sixth to eight level and the party should have at least a thief and cleric. Does not look that module design has change that much between editions. Also what dm has never adjusted a module, adventure, home brew etc to suit the players. Gee everyone is running fighters, rangers, dwarves, and thieves against the hill giants. I will replace magic items with heal potions or add heal potions to treasure.Metagaming where this trap is too tough or the game logic that were all first level, to quote a fuzzy bear, so no way the dm will throw a hydra against us. Or as some one as already stated this CR is too high. Depends on the DM. Some may want you to run away and the monster will kindly let you go. Or if you tell the other players it just have to be an illusion. Well +4 chance of the hydra thinking your character is a nice summer DQ treat.So what does Ricky the Crazy Cook know what is common knowledge, uncommon knowledge, trivia, etc. That is problem. The DM and players need to discuss how much Ricky knows about the EVIL POP n FRESH goleum vs PirateCat having read the article during lunch.Felon there is a difference between the your character the brainless Clown Cruzy discovering this vampire likes garlic. Against Felon blurting out is a the Italian  Vampire Frank Knee Capper Sinatra, who appear in Buffy episode 56, 89, 33. Deep Space Nine Episode 99. On wait a minute we running the H3 The Hall of Justice. I open my pack and throw goose pate into Frankie eyes. Then arguing that Clown Cruzy that Cruzy would know that because you running him. Even when clown face has never face any undead or did research in game on vamps.Medium metagaming is Felon yelling help me I down to 5 hit pt. And the cleric saying I healing Bob because his fighting is down. To get rid of this which I don’t mind. Have Felon yell Help Priest of  Thor I on my last legs.Monster knowledge. In the other editions I made the players make kill sheets on the monsters they axed. Plus the could spend  gold pieces to learn more. The amount of gold against what you learned was based various things like how rare, locality, etc. Monster knowledge in third. I scatter info between religion undead, arcana, knowledge local, wildness lore, history etc. Instead of creating more knowledge categories, and the players discuss what the roll should be. Ex. Ghasts Religion 12, Arcana 15, Knowledge local varies etc. Still trying to get the kinks out.  Pc forehead. I am Npc to I am the guest star of the week. I generally allow the party to accept the new player/character and continue to game. Why? Most of us hate the part of we gather the heroes/new hero scene.</blockquote>

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