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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DandD" data-source="post: 4569555" data-attributes="member: 55168">Suspension of disbelief had to be applied from the moment on when rogues could evade fireballs exploding in a small closed room, fighters were able to great cleave eight enemies with one strike, or duelists reaching AC 40+ without any magical equipment. No, say what you want, but 3rd edition mundane heroes are too much straining one's ability to accept them as normal human beings like us, unless one lives in a fantasy world. First and second edition thieves and fighters might perhaps claim to be less phantastic than their 4th and 3rd edition counterparts (well, except the fact that only fighers and other classes in their category could get exceptional strenght, and only thieves knew how to pickpocket in the first place). 3rd edition fighters and rogues are as unbelievable and wuxia-anime-like as their 4th edition counterparts. Other supplements like the Tome of Battle only replace the Full Attack Option with a different-looking single attack, and making the "mundane" classes a little bit more on the level of their magic colleagues.   Back to topic.</blockquote>