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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 6523025" data-attributes="member: 43019">This particular player is I think trying to replicate a play experience from a previous edition that is not very tenable past 4th level, though was more than served by 2nd and 3rd. I might be wrong, but that's the impression I've gotten.Not my character, just my only observances of how well it's worked in play. Well, it's based on adventure writers, not DM, but I agree that it was an exceptional amount of AE. Every combat except 1 had an AE source in it, and that 1 that didn't I think actually did but we nuked the caster before he acted. That said, given that it was things like &quot;Cone of Cold, I hit everyone _but_ the guy who charged&quot; there wasn't a lot of loss for including the summons. In this particular case we were attacking what we thought were normal soldiers defending a gate, so that we could break into a keep, and so _everyone_ was surprised by the 3 guys with lightning bolts.Definitely a different playstyle. That said - what's this &quot;hold my action&quot;? There's no delaying your initiative, so I'm guessing you mean take the Dodge action? Anyhow, I'd have been fine with her just controlling her wolf pack as well, but I'm not her.Yep. She didn't make a summoner. She made a shapeshifter, she was just looking for options of things she could do before combat before she shapeshifted.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 6523025, member: 43019"] This particular player is I think trying to replicate a play experience from a previous edition that is not very tenable past 4th level, though was more than served by 2nd and 3rd. I might be wrong, but that's the impression I've gotten. Not my character, just my only observances of how well it's worked in play. Well, it's based on adventure writers, not DM, but I agree that it was an exceptional amount of AE. Every combat except 1 had an AE source in it, and that 1 that didn't I think actually did but we nuked the caster before he acted. That said, given that it was things like "Cone of Cold, I hit everyone _but_ the guy who charged" there wasn't a lot of loss for including the summons. In this particular case we were attacking what we thought were normal soldiers defending a gate, so that we could break into a keep, and so _everyone_ was surprised by the 3 guys with lightning bolts. Definitely a different playstyle. That said - what's this "hold my action"? There's no delaying your initiative, so I'm guessing you mean take the Dodge action? Anyhow, I'd have been fine with her just controlling her wolf pack as well, but I'm not her. Yep. She didn't make a summoner. She made a shapeshifter, she was just looking for options of things she could do before combat before she shapeshifted. [/QUOTE]

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