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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9080289" data-attributes="member: 42582">There is no contradiction. What you are ignoring is the differences on the GM side. I will now post this for about the sixth time in this thread:in the RPGs I know that have higher player agency, the players cannot "alter game reality" in the way some posters in this thread are talking about. Rather, they establish their own goals and aspirations for their PCs (including working with the group collectively to establish the appropriate backstory and setting elements to underpin those goals and aspirations), and then the GM relies on those goals and aspirations as cues for their own narration of framing and consequence.By the way, it's possible to run 4e D&D in the way I've just described - I know because I've done it. I know from experience that AD&D can also be played in this way, although it is not as robust and now that I know of systems that are better for this approach I wouldn't go back to it.</blockquote>