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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9083537" data-attributes="member: 6790260">That's not what your claim was, though. Your claim was that such efforts are frequently--perhaps almost always--such an onerous burden of effort that, because time is limited, it should be forgone or dismissed and other things should get focus instead.And what I have seen is quite different.What I have seen is one side claiming, &quot;I get to dismiss this whenever I want. I don't have to do any work for that. I'm the GM. If I don't like it, it's out.&quot;And the other side saying, &quot;That takes away player agency.&quot;I very clearly stated this quite a bit upthread, and had people pushing--for the first of those two claims. That was why I pushed back so hard against the &quot;point to a spot in the setting notes I wrote 20 years ago to nix a thing a player wants to do&quot; example. Because that's not doing the work to establish that things are true within the world.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9083537, member: 6790260"] That's not what your claim was, though. Your claim was that such efforts are frequently--perhaps almost always--such an onerous burden of effort that, [I]because[/I] time is limited, it should be forgone or dismissed and other things should get focus instead. And what I have seen is quite different. What I have seen is one side claiming, "I get to dismiss this whenever I want. I don't have to do any work for that. I'm the GM. If I don't like it, [I]it's out[/I]." And the other side saying, "That takes away player agency." I very clearly stated this quite a bit upthread, and had people pushing--[I]for the first of those two claims[/I]. That was why I pushed back so hard against the "point to a spot in the setting notes I wrote 20 years ago to nix a thing a player wants to do" example. Because that's not doing the work to establish that things are true within the world. [/QUOTE]

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