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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9084472" data-attributes="member: 6790260">That's not what I said, nor what I meant.I'm saying, why is this specific incredibly narrow thing, of the noble being away, that somehow doesn't occur to the players or isn't known to them, and yet is a consequence of their actions? For real here. What benefit are they getting from having these weeks- to months-long things that apparently never occur to or are in any way observable by the characters, yet then snap into relevance when the players attempt to do a thing?What does that have to do with the difference between doing SOMETHING to say yes--even if in a different, reduced, or nuanced way--rather than simply saying no?So, you're doing that thing here. The bolded bit. That's a thing you invented. I never mentioned anything even remotely like that. In fact, I went out of my way to talk about how things would not be "without a hitch," and that the world would not "alter itself." Why are you inserting these things into what I said? This is getting perilously close to presuming bad faith.It is bad faith for them to actively avoid information, yes. Why should players be so utterly uninterested in inquiry? Clearly they already know this noble in some way--you established that yourself by saying their actions directly led to this noble not being at home.Again: Why do you invent these horrifically implausible examples, as though I am demanding something patently ridiculous? Why are you seeing these players as petulant children stamping their feet because "we want to see the noble NOW!!!", who could only be placated with blatant, stupid, contrived answers?This is precisely why I get so frustrated. You are actively injecting extra bad-faith expectations from the players here!And what solution is that? Because the so-called "solution" people keep telling me is that it just doesn't work. No alternative. No second option. Just straight-up, unadorned no-sell on the effort.(Edit: I am letting these slide, for now, in the context of the offered vow from earlier. Just in case. Better to keep it longer than is warranted than break it too early.)</blockquote>

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