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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mamba" data-source="post: 9084544" data-attributes="member: 7034611">no, you allowing something unbelievable does not make that something more believableI believe you that you played it out like that at your table, but I am not sure why you think that changes anything. If it were the reverse and I disallowed it at my table, would you now have to follow that? Would it affect your impression of how believable it is?At no point did I say it could not happen at some table. I am pretty sure I consistently said you can find a reason to allow or to deny anything. The believability was entirely about the action in the fictional world, not about how some tables would handle the situationfirst of all, I have been saying  this for 20 or so pages now. Second, because the question we are discussing is ‘can a DM ever deny an audience’, this always was the exception, some just try to twist this into ‘some DMs just want to deny all player agency’</blockquote>