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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mamba" data-source="post: 9085199" data-attributes="member: 7034611">no one ever disagreed with thisNo, they put the consistency of the world, as they see it, ahead of the player's ability to do whatever they want. We disagree on this being a problem.ironic that you feel this way, because I feel like you already did this several posts earlier. I do think that your complaint about my 'insistence for the DM to have an out' does indicate that you want the DM to not have an out, and that you conflate my insistence that the DM always can have one with the DM always using one. I have been very consistent about this being a rare exception.no, my interpretation is clearly supported by what is written, in fact to me it is the more consistent / logical interpretation, as I have already explained.I also did not say that these are the only audiences they can get, I said that these are the only guaranteed ones (if any are).I see no difference, 1 / a very large number is still effectively 0, so you still insist on a guarantee. No, you will not get an audience whenever I can think of a way to make it happen. I am pretty sure I can always think of a way to make it happen, that does not mean I consider it reasonable.Statements like these, where you basically say 'as long as the DM can think of a way to do it, they should do what the player wants' is to me that grotesque version of the claim you say I am making up and  pushing against. I have no need to make it up, several people spell it out repeatedly.I am saying I am being generous to you, in this discussion, not the player, when I grant you that me not treating the feature as a guarantee is the same as me completely ignoring that feature (outside the 'local noble' application as I read it).I can easily decide that while an audience is not a guarantee, you have a much better chance / easier time than someone who is not a noble.I am going to an illogical extreme? Which is what, insisting that it is not a guarantee? That is exactly the point in question, we started this with some people insisting on it being a guarantee. I am glad that you agree that considering it a guarantee is an illogical extreme, because that is precisely my stance on it.You are not arguing for this, certainly not a 'we'. There were several posters who absolutely considered it a guarantee, to the point that at least one said they would leave the table if they did not get it.No, asking for an audience is not bad faith, absolutely insisting on one is. You tell me whether insisting on one to the point of leaving the game over it is acting in good faith and the behavior of a mature adult or that of a petulant child.Could I give in, absolutely. Is not doing so petulant, possibly, I am not blind. None of this changes that the insistence and leaving the game over it is absolutely the same as an insistence for the audience to not happen. Theoretically it is worse, as there tends to be an unspoken agreement to defer to the DM in decisions like this.</blockquote>

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