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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 9085844" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>The thugs are just something that happens on my way to the inn. They don't inherently thwart my ability to go there. </p><p></p><p>Maybe I pay them some coin, or Bluff them or Intimidate them, and they leave. Then I continue on to the Inn. </p><p></p><p>They're not a unilateral blocking of my ability to declare actions per the rules. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For the fourth time, so what? I describe what I do, then we follow the rule. What happens with a fireball is stated in the spell entry, and what happens with the audience is stated in the background feature entry. Both dictate what the DM is meant to do. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If this is true, then D&D has no player authority. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because they don't accomplish the same thing. Here, let me make them similar.</p><p></p><p>Some thugs accost you on the way to the inn.... but you deal with them through whatever means, and then you went on to the inn. </p><p></p><p>There is a feud between your house and the local noble house... but the black sheep of the family or other local lord agrees to meet with you.</p><p></p><p>The local lord is ill... so you have to meet with his son. </p><p></p><p>Most of the efreet of the City of Brass are uninterested in you... but you fine one Pasha who is fascinated with mortals from the material plane, and he agrees to meet with you. </p><p></p><p>It's not a case of:</p><p>I go to the inn... but thugs accost me, so I never get there.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not in that rule, it doesn't say anything about needing the DM's approval, no. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think evoking passages from the book that support the idea that everything in the game happens only at the DM's approval really jibes with player agency.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 9085844, member: 6785785"] The thugs are just something that happens on my way to the inn. They don't inherently thwart my ability to go there. Maybe I pay them some coin, or Bluff them or Intimidate them, and they leave. Then I continue on to the Inn. They're not a unilateral blocking of my ability to declare actions per the rules. For the fourth time, so what? I describe what I do, then we follow the rule. What happens with a fireball is stated in the spell entry, and what happens with the audience is stated in the background feature entry. Both dictate what the DM is meant to do. If this is true, then D&D has no player authority. Because they don't accomplish the same thing. Here, let me make them similar. Some thugs accost you on the way to the inn.... but you deal with them through whatever means, and then you went on to the inn. There is a feud between your house and the local noble house... but the black sheep of the family or other local lord agrees to meet with you. The local lord is ill... so you have to meet with his son. Most of the efreet of the City of Brass are uninterested in you... but you fine one Pasha who is fascinated with mortals from the material plane, and he agrees to meet with you. It's not a case of: I go to the inn... but thugs accost me, so I never get there. Not in that rule, it doesn't say anything about needing the DM's approval, no. I don't think evoking passages from the book that support the idea that everything in the game happens only at the DM's approval really jibes with player agency. [/QUOTE]
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