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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9086155" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>No. That's not how specific beats general works. A rule is "general" until something acts to supersede it. The general rule of nobles is that they can get put up by local nobles. This is superseded by the DMG quotes that SPECIFICALLY state that rules in the PHB are secondary to DM rulings. He is not beholden to such rules. For something to overrule the DMG quotes, it would have to specifically say so. Nothing in backgrounds(or any other rule) does say so, so there is no such thing a specific beating the DMG quotes.</p><p></p><p>Seeking to always say yes diminishes agency. It overrides those times when player agency is respected by saying no and instead says yes. It's not a value judgment. It just is what is. You can't seek to say yes to me all the time and have my ideas mean much at all.</p><p></p><p>In full disclosure I have ADHD and my memory doesn't work normally. I've never been able to pull up examples just because. If something happens to remind me of the time we did X, Y to accomplish Z, it's there. But if I'm just minding my own business typing here, it's extraordinarily rare for me to be able to pull up that specific memory.</p><p></p><p>I can give an example from my most recent campaign when I allowed something reasonable even though the rules said no, because it's reasonable and I absolutely hate that many spells and magical effects will work on a stone golem(because creature), but won't work on a stone statue(because not creature).</p><p></p><p>Why does it have to be one or the other? It can be both. The DM could decide to have a portal like the City on the Edge of Forever that runs through images from various universes. The bad guy could jump through to escape. The PCs could jump through afterwards and roll poorly, ending up in a random universe. The DM decided AND it happened through game play.</p><p></p><p>This is an objectively false statement, because my agency can be diminished by both yes and no, and it can be respected by both yes and no. It quite literally cannot be inherent AND still allow that to happen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9086155, member: 23751"] No. That's not how specific beats general works. A rule is "general" until something acts to supersede it. The general rule of nobles is that they can get put up by local nobles. This is superseded by the DMG quotes that SPECIFICALLY state that rules in the PHB are secondary to DM rulings. He is not beholden to such rules. For something to overrule the DMG quotes, it would have to specifically say so. Nothing in backgrounds(or any other rule) does say so, so there is no such thing a specific beating the DMG quotes. Seeking to always say yes diminishes agency. It overrides those times when player agency is respected by saying no and instead says yes. It's not a value judgment. It just is what is. You can't seek to say yes to me all the time and have my ideas mean much at all. In full disclosure I have ADHD and my memory doesn't work normally. I've never been able to pull up examples just because. If something happens to remind me of the time we did X, Y to accomplish Z, it's there. But if I'm just minding my own business typing here, it's extraordinarily rare for me to be able to pull up that specific memory. I can give an example from my most recent campaign when I allowed something reasonable even though the rules said no, because it's reasonable and I absolutely hate that many spells and magical effects will work on a stone golem(because creature), but won't work on a stone statue(because not creature). Why does it have to be one or the other? It can be both. The DM could decide to have a portal like the City on the Edge of Forever that runs through images from various universes. The bad guy could jump through to escape. The PCs could jump through afterwards and roll poorly, ending up in a random universe. The DM decided AND it happened through game play. This is an objectively false statement, because my agency can be diminished by both yes and no, and it can be respected by both yes and no. It quite literally cannot be inherent AND still allow that to happen. [/QUOTE]
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