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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9086277" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Agreed.&nbsp; There are many differences there.&nbsp; But not in regards to player agency.&nbsp; In every instance the player was denied the ability to do what he wanted to do.And just to be clear - there is also a big difference in the DM decides by fiat that you lose and the DM decides as an impartial referee that you lose.Agreed.&nbsp; But Constraining what fiction a player can establish is diminishing their agency.&nbsp; If I told you a DM by fiat constrained the fiction a player can establish then you'd jump at calling that a reduction in agency.Agreed again.&nbsp; But here we are talking about how that impacts player agency.I don't think this part was to me, but I agree here as well.&nbsp; No additions or buts either.Edit: removed content that likely will cause more problems than being an additive force for the discussion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 9086277, member: 6795602"] Agreed. There are many differences there. But not in regards to player agency. In every instance the player was denied the ability to do what he wanted to do. And just to be clear - there is also a big difference in the DM decides by fiat that you lose and the DM decides as an impartial referee that you lose. Agreed. But Constraining what fiction a player can establish is diminishing their agency. If I told you a DM by fiat constrained the fiction a player can establish then you'd jump at calling that a reduction in agency. Agreed again. But here we are talking about how that impacts player agency. I don't think this part was to me, but I agree here as well. No additions or buts either. Edit: removed content that likely will cause more problems than being an additive force for the discussion. [/QUOTE]

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