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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9086759" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>I'd say that the rule is ambiguous but can potentially be read the way you describe. I think all the potential readings of the rule end up a bit inconsistent when the rest of the rulebook is taken into account. </p><p></p><p>But the goal of 5e D&D rules is to allow for ambiguity soo all can play the way they want and for that goal i'd say it's absolutely well designed. And while that helped (not solely) drive it's commercial success, i do think it makes for a worse rpg rulebook. And that's really what the discussion about the noble background is really highlighting - when people come to the game with different expectations about how a rule is going to work there's going to be major issues. The desire of 5e to not pick a side directly causes those kinds of issues.</p><p></p><p>Might want to bookmark this for the next time 5e players are accused of not being able to be critical of 5e. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 9086759, member: 6795602"] I'd say that the rule is ambiguous but can potentially be read the way you describe. I think all the potential readings of the rule end up a bit inconsistent when the rest of the rulebook is taken into account. But the goal of 5e D&D rules is to allow for ambiguity soo all can play the way they want and for that goal i'd say it's absolutely well designed. And while that helped (not solely) drive it's commercial success, i do think it makes for a worse rpg rulebook. And that's really what the discussion about the noble background is really highlighting - when people come to the game with different expectations about how a rule is going to work there's going to be major issues. The desire of 5e to not pick a side directly causes those kinds of issues. Might want to bookmark this for the next time 5e players are accused of not being able to be critical of 5e. :) [/QUOTE]
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