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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9093648" data-attributes="member: 6684958">Everyone dances around this point and is vague.If the player suggests anything and the DM has no veto, then it's forcing the DM to do something...even if the DM is a &quot;fan of the players&quot; and just agrees to do so &quot;right away player whatever you say&quot;.It's exactly like a DM saying &quot;your character must get mad and chase after the gnome&quot;, but the player then saying &quot;no, my character will just let it go&quot;.&nbsp; No player would want to &quot;ok, my character chases the gnome and is mad because the DM told me to&quot;.And if the player can't suggest, change, alter or create anything....then what exactly are they doing?&nbsp; Just decorations?Even a &quot;good&quot; player might &quot;suggest&quot; a ton of stuff the DM does not want in the world.&nbsp; So, does the DM just roll over to the players automatically or can they say &quot;no&quot; or &quot;well, not exactly like you said&quot;.And IF they can....they CAN do it EVERY time a player suggested something.&nbsp; Right? And if the DM can't say &quot;no&quot;...what is the control for the exploitive players or worse?&nbsp; When a player just says &quot;oh...snicker, snicker, the temple of Good is selling healing potions half of today&quot;.&nbsp; Does the DM just roll over and say &quot;Wow, cool idea...your wish is so in the game player.&quot; ?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9093648, member: 6684958"] Everyone dances around this point and is vague. If the player suggests anything and the DM has no veto, then it's forcing the DM to do something...even if the DM is a "fan of the players" and just agrees to do so "right away player whatever you say". It's exactly like a DM saying "your character must get mad and chase after the gnome", but the player then saying "no, my character will just let it go". No player would want to "ok, my character chases the gnome and is mad because the DM told me to". And if the player can't suggest, change, alter or create anything....then what exactly are they doing? Just decorations? Even a "good" player might "suggest" a ton of stuff the DM does not want in the world. So, does the DM just roll over to the players automatically or can they say "no" or "well, not exactly like you said". And IF they can....they CAN do it EVERY time a player suggested something. Right? And if the DM can't say "no"...what is the control for the exploitive players or worse? When a player just says "oh...snicker, snicker, the temple of Good is selling healing potions half of today". Does the DM just roll over and say "Wow, cool idea...your wish is so in the game player." ? [/QUOTE]

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