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<blockquote data-quote="Raiztt" data-source="post: 9099321" data-attributes="member: 7040616">Really this can boil down, IMO which obviously some people here do not agree with, to this:There are plot driven games and there are character driven games. IMNSHO, turning up your nose and saying &quot;Oh, me, i prefer games with high player agency, as opposed to your low player agency games&quot; is definitional of condescending one-true-wayism. No one has put forth a knock down argument for why one allows for more &quot;player agency&quot; than the other, they simply keep begging the question over and over again.I don't think either of these is better than the other, which is why I can't believe this thread is still going, they're just different expectations and desires from TTRPGs.In your post, one thing that really stands out to me is how irrelevant that all is to my experience as a player and a DM. Not irrelevant in an insulting or condescending way, but in a literal way. The games that I run and that my players enjoy are very much &quot;Here is some naughty word that is happening to you, how will you solve this problem&quot; and &quot;who the characters are&quot; (which sounds extremely navel-gaze-y) just doesn't come up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raiztt, post: 9099321, member: 7040616"] Really this can boil down, IMO which obviously some people here do not agree with, to this: There are plot driven games and there are character driven games. IMNSHO, turning up your nose and saying "Oh, me, i prefer games with high player agency, as opposed to your low player agency games" is definitional of condescending one-true-wayism. No one has put forth a knock down argument for why one allows for more "player agency" than the other, they simply keep begging the question over and over again. I don't think either of these is better than the other, which is why I can't believe this thread is still going, they're just different expectations and desires from TTRPGs. In your post, one thing that really stands out to me is how irrelevant that all is to my experience as a player and a DM. Not irrelevant in an insulting or condescending way, but in a literal way. The games that I run and that my players enjoy are very much "Here is some naughty word that is happening to you, how will you solve this problem" and "who the characters are" (which sounds extremely navel-gaze-y) just doesn't come up. [/QUOTE]

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