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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9101431" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>If the GM is not deciding any destination, then what <em>are</em> they doing? How does one "find common ground" without either (a) reaching a compromise with someone else, such that both parties determine the end result and thus recognizing their <em>independent</em> agency, or (b) <em>declaring</em> what the result will be, which the other(s) must simply accept (or walk away from, but I assume people who want to keep playing)?</p><p></p><p>How does one "harmonize"? What does that <em>mean</em>? Because to me, the "harmonizing" is not at all like being a conductor. In fact, I find the analogy completely inapplicable and useless--to the point that I nearly responded to it <em>backwards</em> because I thought you were calling the <em>players</em> conductors. Conductors assist other people in their performance of a piece. GMs do not "assist" players at all, in the GM-authorship mode being discussed here. GMs <em>are assisted by</em> players. It is the GM actually doing the action; the players simply provide inputs.</p><p></p><p>Whose hands are on the metaphorical instrument--the player, or the GM? Because as far as I can tell, it's <em>exclusively</em> the GM. That's why every single time, someone asks something to the effect of, "Well, did you clear it with the GM well in advance?"</p><p></p><p>Conductors don't "clear" orchestra performers well in advance of the performance of a piece. They do nothing <em>like</em> "clearing" anything. If the performer won't perform the piece as intended, they won't be asked to perform the piece at all.</p><p></p><p>The analogy does not hold.</p><p></p><p>And, separately from all of the above; WHAT "player authorings"? Per the repeated questions from at least two different posters in this thread, everything must be (a) "cleared" through the GM well in advance, and (b) the GM must be allowed to draft up appropriate content. But the latter thing IS the authorship. There is no player involvement in it. Players can insert hoped-for notions into the GM-authorship black box, and potentially get the payoff out at the other side. They don't actually participate in the authorship process at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9101431, member: 6790260"] If the GM is not deciding any destination, then what [I]are[/I] they doing? How does one "find common ground" without either (a) reaching a compromise with someone else, such that both parties determine the end result and thus recognizing their [I]independent[/I] agency, or (b) [I]declaring[/I] what the result will be, which the other(s) must simply accept (or walk away from, but I assume people who want to keep playing)? How does one "harmonize"? What does that [I]mean[/I]? Because to me, the "harmonizing" is not at all like being a conductor. In fact, I find the analogy completely inapplicable and useless--to the point that I nearly responded to it [I]backwards[/I] because I thought you were calling the [I]players[/I] conductors. Conductors assist other people in their performance of a piece. GMs do not "assist" players at all, in the GM-authorship mode being discussed here. GMs [I]are assisted by[/I] players. It is the GM actually doing the action; the players simply provide inputs. Whose hands are on the metaphorical instrument--the player, or the GM? Because as far as I can tell, it's [I]exclusively[/I] the GM. That's why every single time, someone asks something to the effect of, "Well, did you clear it with the GM well in advance?" Conductors don't "clear" orchestra performers well in advance of the performance of a piece. They do nothing [I]like[/I] "clearing" anything. If the performer won't perform the piece as intended, they won't be asked to perform the piece at all. The analogy does not hold. And, separately from all of the above; WHAT "player authorings"? Per the repeated questions from at least two different posters in this thread, everything must be (a) "cleared" through the GM well in advance, and (b) the GM must be allowed to draft up appropriate content. But the latter thing IS the authorship. There is no player involvement in it. Players can insert hoped-for notions into the GM-authorship black box, and potentially get the payoff out at the other side. They don't actually participate in the authorship process at all. [/QUOTE]
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