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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9101876" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Given the assumption that agency is not-binary (which was noted as being in dispute)The proposal is that there are 3 buckets of agency:Bucket A is what is shared between the games.Bucket B is the narrative agency over and beyond bucket ABucket C is the agency which was given up to obtain the agency in bucket B.  (Tradeoffs).One can say that Bucket A+B > Bucket A, so long as we are talking finite values (infinites are another possibility).  But it's not clear at all that Bucket A+B > Bucket A+C.  There's no mathematical principle we can rely on here, we have to actually dig into what is in Bucket B and Bucket C and that's simply not been done.When I say it's an assumption that agency is not binary and you essentially say 'agency is not binary' - that's not conducive to discussion.  I'm all for discussing whether agency is binary or not - that's a good discussion to have and will move us forward - but simply asserting it is and then me asserting it isn't and back and forth again and again isn't going to get us anywhere but frustrated.  Do you want to have that discussion?If the game is about player exploration, even if in part, then affecting the state of the game requires the player to be able to explore.  Not just the character exploring, but the player.  If the player cannot explore something due to directly authoring that something, then authoring fiction has taken away the player's agency to explore.And I don't think your counters to them hold up very well.  Do you want to discuss this or just have each of us declare we are right?</blockquote>

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