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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9109261" data-attributes="member: 42582">In the context of this thread, you don't need to conjecture!Some posters in this thread were criticising RPGs that allow players to "alter reality". I asked for examples of such games, but none were forthcoming. I provided some examples of play that, in my view, illustrate how player agency in RPGing can be high.I also said (post 219) thatIf all the interesting and important changes are established by one participant, then as I say the other participants have little agency in respect of the game. That is not a redefinition: it is an application of standard meanings of the term in this particular context.andIf the impact of what the player decides that their PC says and does is decided primarily by the GM, then this does not seem to me to be a very significant exercise of agency by the player. They are prompting the GM to produce an effect or result; but they are not producing it directly via their own agency.That prompted [USER=6801845]@Oofta[/USER] and others to assert (1) that the GM always enjoys a veto power (see post 222), and (2) to assert that nevertheless players playing under such processes exercise lots of agency.The people who mentioned 5e D&D were Oofta and others, not me. My comments on 5e have been confined to explaining that if I were GMing 5e D&D I would run the Noble background ability as written, and also to agreeing with [USER=6785785]@hawkeyefan[/USER] that I don't think the game's rules are as low-player-agency as some in this thread appear to assert.Again, conjecture is not required.I don't like 5e D&D because I don't think it's combat resolution system is very interesting or verisimilitudinous, and it has no non-combat resolution system other than GM decides what follows from a PC succeeding or failing at an attempted task.</blockquote>

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