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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9116197" data-attributes="member: 23751">And you really think the DM can't be gamed into lighter consequences?  If the DM has discretion, and you just described discretion, then it's a fact that you can game the DM.  It might be harder or easier depending on the system.  It might make more or less sense.  But the DM can be gamed.The DM should grant isn't the DM will grant.  If you know what the DM likes, you are less likely to be denied because you can craft your declaration in such a way as to game him.Agency isn't even a part of this particular tangent.  This is about whether the DM has any discretion at all in the game. If so, you can game him under those circumstances.  It's an assertion of fact.  Humans can be gamed when they have to make a decision on how they want to do something. We are a fairly easily manipulated species.</blockquote>