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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9124865" data-attributes="member: 23751">You keep asserting that, but you have yet to list your extensive experience playing this other games to at least show that you know even a little bit about what you are talking about.  If you haven't played all of these other games, then you are just talking without anything of substance to back you up.I've played other games, but not in several years and there are a lot of new games out there.  However, I have talked to those who do play them and at least TRY to understand what they are about.  Even then I still don't know a whole lot about the specifics of these games.  See my posts upthread where I didn't know that the whole group voted on whether a character in Burning Wheel got the religious trait(forget what it is called specifically).This is not true for the game type. Many people prep a lot, but don't try to go hardcore gungho with rules and optimization.  Those are casual games, even though they prep most everything.I don't have the bandwidth to go through all the long posts between you two, but if these first few examples are indicative, perhaps you should do some more research about how things really work before you continue.</blockquote>