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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 2992251" data-attributes="member: 2525">I think this stuff about disputing that we are talking about an increased price for this book is counter-productive.  It's along the lines of the "This is your brain on drugs" ad campaign - you tell people something they know is false, and they are less likely to believe the other stuff you tell them even if that other stuff turns out to be true.  In this case, claiming that there was no price increase for this book is likely to result in people not responding well to the part about the quality of this book being worth the increased price.So, let's really break it down then on the price issue, to put to bed this concept that there was no price increase for this book.  That way, people can focus on discussing whether the quality of the content is worth the price increase, which is a productive activity in my opinion.//1) You no longer get Night of Dissolution in hard copy.  So that is out for purposes of this discussion.  You no longer get any extras (except the CD).  All that stuff is out.  You might have gotten it as a preorder, but as an actual discussion of the value of the book for the people in this thread trying to decide if it is worth buying, that's all stuff that is now irrelevant.  In fact, continually mentioning that you got stuff that now people will no longer get, for the same money, is only likely to upset people and make them not want to buy this product.2) The CD is included.  Except for some fluff (some forms, a discount coupon, a chapter to a comic book, a conversion guide for Arcana Evolved) here is what you actually get on the CD: The Banewarrnes adventure, The Nights of Dissolution adventure, and Chaositech.  Many people already own that stuff, or have no interest in it (or at least no interest in all three). And if you did want some of those items, they are actually really cheap to buy in PDF format already from Monte.  You can buy Banewarrens in PDF format from Monte right now for $6.67, and Chaositech for $6.00, for example.  The CD probably has some value for many people, but realistically we are not talking about a lot of money in value, as most people would not have bought the CD if they could have bought this book at a lower price without the CD (and if you were a Monte fan, you likely already own much of the CD as it is).3) The cost for the book itself. Of course 5 cents per page is a big deal, for an almost 700 page book! We're talking about a more than 1/3 increase in cost for the book, if you compare it to just Monte's own prior release (Aracana Evolved - which if its price formula was used for Ptolus it would put Ptolus at $78.12).  Don't let the "cents" valuation fool you.  When discussing big books, cost per page adds up to a lot of money - $25 to $42 in this case, depending on wheather you use WOTC or Monte's own prior releases as your yard stick (which is odd, since most of the world operates that if you buy more quantity of something - in this case book content - the price goes down, not up).Any way you slice it, the increased page count cost for this book means you cannot afford to buy one or two other books (unless you actually actively wanted all three things on the CD in PDF format and planned on buying them anyway in that format if they had not come with this book - in which case it might be barely "worth it" on a quantity basis if you use the lowest possible figure for page count cost).  Realistically, we are talking about a meaningful price increase for most gamers.  Let's stop pretending it's not a price increase.  It is.//So it really always comes down to quality of content, because you cannot convince people to buy this book based on the price for the quantity of content (it just doesn't add up on a quantity basis).I agree with you, from what I have seen so far, the quality is very high - higher than most products.  The question is, is the quality SO high that it justifies the increased price?  On that front, I think it's going to take some work from folks who have bought this product to explain what in the quality of the content makes it worth the increased price.  What is it about the city descriptions, the dungeons, the people, the feats, the prestige classes, the organizations, the special locations, the artwork, the packaging, and the flavor of this book that makes it worth a 35% increase in price over similar products from this same author?</blockquote>

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