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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 2993437" data-attributes="member: 2525">It's taking the actual senario, not the worst possible senario.  Freebies given for preordering a book are not the product itself.  That's why they are called freebies.  It's the view Monte seems to take on it, and everyone except you on his board.  Maybe you should check the thread in question again - nobody agreed with you that the Freebies should count as the product itself.Most people did not pre-order it.  Ask Monte if you don't buy that.  People don't tend to buy what they have never seen or read a review of.  Most products, including this one, will sell after their release, not before.The thread may have been started earlier, but the point about price was not.  Again, why don't you check it again before making these accusations about what happened.  I was not trying to skew anything about it, it was in fact after the freebies were being offerred, and by the way it was ME doing those calculations and you just saw them again in this thread.What are you talking about?  Seriously, I really don't think you have your facts correct.  The book is being mass shipped to game stores.  It's getting a pretty big distribution.  MOST of the books well sell AFTER gen con.  The book is not going to be "gone", it hasn't even BEGUN to sell! You seem to think that, unless you personally know about Monte Cooks website and go there and bought it, or are going to GenCon, then you cannot get this product.  I'm betting Monte would verbally twack you over the head for saying that! MOST of it is being released in game stores soon, and that is what this thread is actually talking about - people who will go to their game stores and want to decide if they should buy it or not.Freebies which you no longer can get do in fact no longer count.  Yes.  What is so wrong about that? And the CD does count...it just doesn't make up for the price increase.  Do the math yourself if you don't believe it, rather than making assumptions.  Add up the actual current price to buy each CD item from Monte separately.Well, my group has no intention of using Chaositech, and I have not seen great discussion of Chaositech being used on Monte's board.  But again...if you really want it, just spend $6 to get it.This is my biggest problem with your perception.  I am *NOT* bashing the book! I am in fact doing the opposite! I'm trying to get past this lie that it's not a price increase and admit it's a price increase so we can try and persuade people that the quality of the content more than makes up for the price increase.  You seem to think that anyone who mentions that this was a price increase is "bashing" the book.  That's just not correct.Which is cool.  Except, better binding still isn't a $40 justification.  It didn't actually cost $40 more to make a better binding, for example (not even when marking up the binding costs for a reasonable profit margin).The extras other than the CD are in fact worthless.  In fact, they are less than worthless, since the people you are speaking to right now cannot get them and you're just making people feel like they are getting less than they should if they buy the book at their game store.The CD has value.  You can add the value up yourself.  It's a fixed, known value.  And it's less than the price increase on this book.Again, you missed the boat on what this whole thread, and my whole point, is about.  I am saying the opposite of "isn't worth owning".  I'm saying people are looking at this book, looking at the price tag, and right now saying they don't think it's worth that kind of money.  And instead of telling them why the quality of the content is worth the price, you're going around pretending it's not a price increase.  That doesn't convince anyone to buy the book.  They have eyes.  They can see for themselves it's a price increase.  They are gamers and doing the math themselves.  The goal should be to discuss the quality of the content and stop pretending the price wasn't increased.This is just plain false, and frankly I think perhaps the worst dis-service you could possibly do to this book.  I venture to gyess more than 80% of these books will be sold AFTER GenCon at game stores.  Your world of Monte's board and GenCon is very small compared to the wider world of RPG gaming, and MOST people in this world who are planning on purchasing Ptolus will not even be able to get it until after GenCon.  So please, stop "bashing" Ptolus by telling people it's no longer available after GenCon - unless you are REALLY trying to kill the product before it's even released.</blockquote>

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