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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8643998" data-attributes="member: 6877472">I'm reminded of the classic discussion of art.&nbsp; The person who has been educated in art can talk about the quality of the brush strokes, the elegance in simplicity, and many other things that go over the lay person's head.The lay person in question?&nbsp; &quot;I don't know art, but I like what I like.&quot;One can like (or dislike) a thing without being able to adequately articulate why.&nbsp; It's not very helpful for a discussion, sadly.An experienced game designer can tell you if a game has quality.&nbsp; The end users of said game might not be able to, but they can express that they like it or not.I suspect that the majority of people who play D&amp;D do so because they have fun playing it, whether or not there are better games out there for them to play.&nbsp; Either due to a simple lack of experience with other games, or the simple barrier to entry- if I want to try Dungeon Crawl Classics or Shadow of the Demon Lord, I either have to find someone who runs the game already, or buy it myself (and then try to rope people into playing it- I'm not so foolish as to think I could purchase the game and then get someone to run it for me!).&nbsp; This is why my Fantasy Age books that I bought a few months ago are starting to collect a fine layer of dust.Because of this, while I don't think 5e's sales are misleading, per se, they don't tell the whole picture.&nbsp; How many people play 5e because they don't have any compelling reason to seek out another game?How many play it because they have no opportunity to try other games?I suspect the percentage is noteworthy in such respects.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8643998, member: 6877472"] I'm reminded of the classic discussion of art. The person who has been educated in art can talk about the quality of the brush strokes, the elegance in simplicity, and many other things that go over the lay person's head. The lay person in question? "I don't know art, but I like what I like." One can like (or dislike) a thing without being able to adequately articulate [B]why[/B]. It's not very helpful for a discussion, sadly. An experienced game designer can tell you if a game has quality. The end users of said game might not be able to, but they can express that they like it or not. I suspect that the majority of people who play D&D do so because they have fun playing it, whether or not there are better games out there for them to play. Either due to a simple lack of experience with other games, or the simple barrier to entry- if I want to try Dungeon Crawl Classics or Shadow of the Demon Lord, I either have to find someone who runs the game already, or buy it myself (and then try to rope people into playing it- I'm not so foolish as to think I could purchase the game and then get someone to run it for me!). This is why my Fantasy Age books that I bought a few months ago are starting to collect a fine layer of dust. Because of this, while I don't think 5e's sales are misleading, per se, they don't tell the whole picture. How many people play 5e because they don't have any compelling reason to seek out another game? How many play it because they have no opportunity to try other games? I suspect the percentage is noteworthy in such respects. [/QUOTE]

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