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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8645109" data-attributes="member: 177">It is legitimate to speak of &quot;the game's popularity&quot; - which admits that the popularity belongs to the game, and is therefore a quality of the game.&nbsp; It isn't an intrinsic quality, but nobody here has made a cogent argument that only intrinsic qualities are valid for discussion.The thing that is D&amp;D does not merely exist within a rulebook.&nbsp; D&amp;D is explicitly a social activity.&nbsp; You cannot fully consider the qualities of a thing outside the context in which is is actually used - that would be like trying to judge quality of a car without considering the terrain over which the car is to be driven.&nbsp; The social aspects of the game, including its popularity, should be open to consideration.Why?&nbsp; Because, when you are standing in the store trying to decide which rulebook to buy, the question, &quot;How hard will it be to get people to play this?&quot; is a legitimate factor in one's decision.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 8645109, member: 177"] It is legitimate to speak of "the game's popularity" - which admits that the popularity [I]belongs to the game[/I], and is therefore a quality of the game. It isn't an [I]intrinsic[/I] quality, but nobody here has made a cogent argument that only intrinsic qualities are valid for discussion. The thing that is D&D does not merely exist within a rulebook. D&D is explicitly a [I]social activity[/I]. You cannot fully consider the qualities of a thing outside the context in which is is actually used - that would be like trying to judge quality of a car without considering the terrain over which the car is to be driven. The social aspects of the game, including its popularity, should be open to consideration. Why? Because, when you are standing in the store trying to decide which rulebook to buy, the question, "How hard will it be to get people to play this?" is a legitimate factor in one's decision. [/QUOTE]

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