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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8645509" data-attributes="member: 67338">i (one of if not the biggest 4e stan) fully admit they came close and did pass D&amp;D once D&amp;D was not putting out product.&nbsp; Of course even the come close was when they were putting out more books... (its hard to say 4 books out sold 1 and take that to mean more people are buying the 4... and when it's 3 books came close to but didn't match the 1 out that month I find it VERY hard to say that is surpassing) however the problem is if the OP was going to base quality= sales he would have to lump 4e in as the 2nd best D&amp;D and (assuming we grant PF DID pass it) the 3rd best TTRPG ever made... but he will go on and on about how it was poor for other reasons.this is the ongoing problem with ANY&nbsp; person (as Umbra) pointed out we all self select what we like and use the evidence that supports it.yeah but if stranger things big bang theory and the streaming gaming (I know I missed at least 1 pop culture reference) all hit between 1994 and 1998 and 1997 had a huge resurgence of table top games (normally board games) and 1999 had a world wide (or close) plague causing everyone to stay in and find entertainment they could do from home... would 2e have exploded the same? no way to know... after all it might be that mixed with the system... or it could be none of that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8645509, member: 67338"] i (one of if not the biggest 4e stan) fully admit they came close and did pass D&D once D&D was not putting out product. Of course even the come close was when they were putting out more books... (its hard to say 4 books out sold 1 and take that to mean more people are buying the 4... and when it's 3 books came close to but didn't match the 1 out that month I find it VERY hard to say that is surpassing) however the problem is if the OP was going to base quality= sales he would have to lump 4e in as the 2nd best D&D and (assuming we grant PF DID pass it) the 3rd best TTRPG ever made... but he will go on and on about how it was poor for other reasons. this is the ongoing problem with ANY person (as Umbra) pointed out we all self select what we like and use the evidence that supports it. yeah but if stranger things big bang theory and the streaming gaming (I know I missed at least 1 pop culture reference) all hit between 1994 and 1998 and 1997 had a huge resurgence of table top games (normally board games) and 1999 had a world wide (or close) plague causing everyone to stay in and find entertainment they could do from home... would 2e have exploded the same? no way to know... after all it might be that mixed with the system... or it could be none of that. [/QUOTE]

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